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Poster: candleme Date: Aug 2, 2009 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit

No problem man.there has to be a place left on this planet where one can say what he thinks is right!yeah,i can imagine poor Bill dealin with them,and if bobby wouldnt have had his "americas favourite fun game":):)these dudes might have squashed half of the existent DHs.:):).....

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Aug 2, 2009 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit

Oh yeah..."poor" Bill

Graham's monopoly business practices went as far as strong-arm contracts with the University of California Regents to control on-campus entertainment venues[citation needed], thus preventing ASUC and other student organizations from promoting their own rock concerts in the 1980s. In the 1980s, he teamed up with BASS Tickets to drive small ticket-distribution companies out of business in the Bay Area, creating a de facto monopoly.[citation needed] After the smaller operations failed, the remaining one, Ticketmaster (formerly BASS), raised prices to unprecedented levels. Its only opposition came from a few bands, notably Pearl Jam, who protested that the company's high ticketing fees were unfair to music fans. Such practices were targeted by the California Senate in S.B 815.[

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Poster: user unknown Date: Aug 2, 2009 5:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit

"there has to be a place left on this planet where one can say what he thinks is right!"

Sadly you won't find it here. Regardless of which side of an "argument" you find yourself, there will be someone here to attack your view.

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit


Look, an argument is a series of statements intended to establish a proposition. Its not just contradiction.
Look, If I want to argue, I must take up a contrary position.
Yes, but thats not just saying, no it isint
Yes it is

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Poster: boltman Date: Aug 2, 2009 10:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit

Nice Python reference...nothing like a little dry British humor to add to the general confusion!

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 2, 2009 10:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit

Ya, an innane post, I just couldnt resist

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Poster: bbbrew Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit

WAAAAAAA!!!
No, try WOOOOW!!!!
WAAAAAAA!!!
No! try again, WOOOOW!!
Stop hitting me!
What?!
STOP hitting me!
Why?
I came here for an argument
Oh! its being hit on the head lessons here, you want the next post

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 2, 2009 5:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

Well, I for one can vouch for the "attacking" being a rarity...not sure if you meant that the way it came off.

I have differing views from many folks hereabouts, and yet, engage in conversations regularly...the only time I see what might be perc'd as an "attack" is when one of the parties isn't interested in Free Speech, nor a conversation, and just spews....

That's not a conversation, and it doesn't warrant the same respect. Defending a rant by calling it "free speech" demeans the term.

You cannot afterall yell "fire" in a theatre, nor can you rant and rave and expect respect. Act in a civil fashion and you'll receive it from 98% of the people on board here. Once you've acted like an ass, you will be treated with less than respect.

The only other times I have seen dis-respect is via "mistaken identity" but given the troll problem, that's understandable.

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Poster: boltman Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

Thank you Tell. Well spoken and helped me sum up my reactions to the last few weeks. Free speech should more aptly be thought of as free communication, implying a two-way conversation. While one has the "freedom" to express views that don't incite physical violence on individuals, if we learned anything from the past and our shared love of the music, it would be that individuals and their opinions should be listened to, with the emphasis on listening, not ranting or insulting. That being said, I hope I didn't feed the beast.

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Poster: shorthopper88 Date: Aug 2, 2009 6:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

agreed, freedom of speech is irrelavant, we shouldnt respect anyone whose intentions are really just to piss people off.

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Poster: candleme Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

i agreed with the definition of free speech as it was used in another post"Freedom of speech is sayin something that someone else doe not want to hear...."I think thats exactly what its all about,otherwise have a grateful week!PEACE AND JERRY

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

I am afraid there's a bit more to it than that...Freedom of Speech is a very important principle, and it defn does NOT mean you can say whatever you want whenever you want just to get a reaction.

Saying it out of context makes it no different than playing the race card or the sexism card or whatever card of the day to attack someone when it's irrelevant...No one here has said "you can't say THAT because I don't agree with it!" or "because it isn't what I want to hear"...they have said, paraphrasing: "please back up your argument with facts and splain yurself better cause I can't understand your position..." When the response to that is an attacking rant, of course it gets ugly...

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Poster: candleme Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

sorry,william the post directed to uh oh um ah was pretty hefty.(if you have read it)all i wanted is to tell my opinion to the story.that is freedom of speech too.and i dont believe that i abuse it.Peace William

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Poster: dilcurrie Date: Aug 2, 2009 7:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

or as voltaire would have it:

" i may not agree with what you have to say, but i will die for your right to say it"

That said if we're going to say free speech is a right then we should remember that with rights come responsibilities...

Most of the posters here are (im) mature adults, and agree or disagree without resorting to acting (or posting) like idiots. I say idiots because the word i was going to use could be considered offensive...

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Poster: William Tell Date: Aug 2, 2009 8:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Family spirit: all you need is HERE

idiot!


[see? point made]

[I know you get my drift cause you're a "mature, respectable audience" member as Bob once famously said!]